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space music and the leaves things of an earthly nature and journey into the world beyond it.

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Indeed, there is a world of living people in the world of outer space as a lot of people

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are claiming that there are.

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We have in the studio this evening on the Euphology Roundtable.

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Mr. Wetzfitch was joining us again along with Earl Naff and a gentleman that last week I

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referred to as Mr. X. He is a former airman in the Air Force and for reasons that he says

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are rather obvious and apparent, we'll be unable to call him anything but Aaron X.

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But just for the sake of a name, let me give you a name tonight.

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I don't like having to refer to you as Mr. X. Sounds a little frankly, phonally folky.

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Let me just say Joe.

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Okay Joe?

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Fine.

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Joe is on hand tonight.

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Now, we have several things, several surprises actually for the members of the panel here tonight.

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Let me check around first and see if they have any surprises for me or anything that has

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happened very recently.

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In fact, Earl, something has very, very recently happened along the lines of flying saucer,

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have they not?

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Most recently, as late as tonight at 10 o'clock.

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I had the, it had just come into the studio in fact when I understood there was a call

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here and it was from Eddie Ryan in Garfield Heights.

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I spoke with him.

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It sounded very good to me.

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I had myself one time seen one of these, didn't know they existed until two years after I'd

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seen it and then found a picture, a photograph in a book.

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Earl, let me interrupt long after I say that this is not the famous Eddie Ryan at the piano player.

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Oh, thank you.

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I'll be getting calls from you.

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No, he's a bit younger but maybe will be as famous someday.

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This is the, the object that is referred to in the book that I later saw two years after

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I'd seen the object myself in the sky as the fluorescent tube type of UFO.

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So, Mr. X being here in the studio, I, or Joe, as you referred to him tonight, I asked him

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if he would call back this number to confirm the number on the phone and then to get the

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Would you mind giving that report quickly?

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Well, this boy saw this object about six or eight inches at arms length of a tube shaped

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object in the sky about, tip that a 45 degree angle.

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Now, this is a unusual sighting.

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We have, we've seen these before in pictures.

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I've heard of people seeing these but never saw one myself.

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This object was at a 45 degree angle in the sky and it was stationary at the time.

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Well, before he first saw the object, he saw a brilliant flash which brought his attention

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to the object.

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Then this object started to move up like in one end of it as it was hanging down in the

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45 position.

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It moved itself up to get in a level flight and then it just simply disappeared.

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And he said the whole thing just lasted about five or six seconds.

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It was a brilliant white, a bright white and it's a mysterious yellow glow around it.

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And it sounded like a very earnest report.

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I don't think anybody would be making something like this up.

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What was this report from again?

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Garfield Heights.

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Garfield Heights.

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Has there been any corroboration on it as far as the youth ball report center is concerned

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or anything about that?

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Or did you have the chance to check this happen so quick?

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It happened so quick.

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From this form, this Cleveland Uproggy Project form, we had the following filled in.

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And it looks like a very good sighting.

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Let's give again the location and the path of this for in the case of anyone who might

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also have seen this and they can report it and we can plot it.

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Yes, I might also mention the report center number in case anyone should see anything along

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Any kind of a sighting or this one.

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The report center number is 234.

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No.

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I know that there are many things we want to get into tonight.

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I have a couple tapes I want to play for you.

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But first I held you off for a whole month.

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The last time we were on Earl and Wes and Joe, I mentioned the experience that I had.

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I've been dying.

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Well, you guys have been pushing me off the fence for a long time now, about 39 weeks.

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And I still up to this point, managed to maintain that strong position right, straddling the fence.

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I don't know how this takes me off, I don't know, but let me explain this fantastic thing.

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Wonderful.

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I was so startled.

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We were just leaving Palm Beach the first night.

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Let me get the date exactly right now.

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Thursday evening, June 29th.

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And we left rather late in the day heading up the coast of Florida.

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onto an island, and they call that Highway A1A.

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it had joined A and A1A, it had joined together and was going right along the ocean.

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There was some construction going on along there, so that a lot of the beach sand was up on the road itself,

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leaving only just barely two lanes for this big amount of traffic.

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Right in back of me was a great fun bus, in back of the bus, about two trucks and a long line of cars,

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driving along, and all of a sudden, out of the corner of my eye, and simultaneously my wife said,

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FAT!

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And I looked, and there was this big blasted ball up there in the air of fire, you know?

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but apparently they sort of the same time because they stopped with no commotion, no honking.

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Everybody just dumped sound on the beach, you know, and there we were.

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Well, I had no more open the door, and before I even slammed it, and I used to get out and look up and say,

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What is this? Then it hit me.

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Well, that was, you know, where we were? At Coco.

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Which escaped Penabro.

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And this was of all beautiful timing though, to be passing by.

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What tipped it to me was, first geographically I knew where I was, as soon as I caught my senses again,

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and the angle of it, it started angling off, and this big ball, suddenly, even though it was 9.36 at night,

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I jotted down the time right quick in case there was any other reports, but the angle, it started angling off and going down the range.

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The next day on the paper, I read of course what it was, it was a weather rocket that they had sent up successfully.

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And it was beautiful timing though, just to be passing at that moment.

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But that is a weird looking thing.

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So I can well imagine now how people must feel when they see these flying saucers.

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And about two days later, I had another experience like that.

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We were, this time in North Carolina, and it was again toward evening, and again my wife says,

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Look, I said not again, but this isn't Cape Penabro.

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So, we out there was a silver thing.

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It was going so slow, so very, very slow, but toward evening time,

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and I stopped so I could get a full view, got out and squint it, looked up and sure of it, looked like that's what it was.

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But I didn't want to miss out on this one, so I didn't take my eyes off it the whole time.

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And then it dawned on me that this was, I couldn't tell if it was something going very slow,

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but a low level or going quite fast, but at a high level.

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But then in the dimness and everything, I could barely pick out eventually a wing.

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But there came out my point, and this one is that there are many people who maybe aren't quite as suspicious,

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or as thorough, who would see this thing and say,

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Boy, I saw a flying saucer and I saw it, and maybe this is where a lot of the funny were.

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This is true, a lot of reports, people just don't know what they see up there, any reports,

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or they do see reflections, this is also true.

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And they don't stick around to see what it really was.

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No, that's true, this is very true.

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Yes, but there's too many other reports that contradict that report.

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Well alright, now I have a couple of tips I want you to give.

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First, let me check around here.

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I know that you'd like to get in tonight.

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Oh, do you want to do this before we have the tape?

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Okay, as a matter of fact, let me check something with you,

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because I've been invited to make an appearance at a meeting.

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Oh good, yes, I'm glad you reminded me.

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We're going to have the annual dinner of the Cleveland Nephrology Project at the Danish S'moreges Board,

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and we're hoping that a very large crowd will come in from every indication that looks very good.

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In fact, there's only a few tickets left.

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I will get my opportunity to meet Professor Meney here with us.

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Right, it's Professor Charles A. Meney, who will be our guest speaker,

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and we do hope that you too will say something while you're there.

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We're very happy to have you.

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I'll have a tape recorder along when I talk to this man.

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Very good.

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Very good.

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Professor Charles Meney is the man who I think the two of us, you and I,

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spoke about on the air on a couple of occasions,

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and then had the good fortune of having him on the phone with us on two occasions.

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He is a co-author of a book.

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Now this book, unlike the one that will be on the stands tomorrow by Dr. Menzel,

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Professor at Harvard, this particular book is also written by a scientist,

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but he takes the affirmative stand.

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This subject of UFOs is real.

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He knows it's real, though he only saw his first UFO last summer.

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But here's a man who has a big reputation in the world of physics, mathematics.

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He's the head of those departments that defines college,

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and the co-author of the book with Richard Hall, Secretary for NICAP,

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a few years ago, and this is called The Challenge of Unidentified Flying Objects.

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The new book that's going to be on the market tomorrow,

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I happen to have learned through one of the men who has reviewed it

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that he takes quite a stab at the Acron UFO Research Committee.

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The head of this Acron UFO Research Committee is none other than George Popper,

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which has been on our program a number of times.

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What's his findings about that?

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Well, you see, the Acron UFO Research Committee has been one of the really live,

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active organizations in the United States.

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They had the Killian Report, a splendid report of Captain Killian,

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the man who had seen these objects along with five other aviators, pilots,

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flying in six different directions they were that night, and there are six different routes.

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Is this the tape recording we played here on the air one time?

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No, that was Ernie Stavik.

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Ernie Stavik was a private, has a small airport down in Acron,

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Greater Acron, and was with some other men coming to Cleveland.

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No, this is the very famous case that is pretty hard for anybody,

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including Dr. Menzel to debunk, although the Air Force would have, you believe,

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a number of things that they were tankers in the air, refueling.

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Tankers were quite hot if that's the case.

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Ernie, interrupt a moment, because we have several messages along the way.

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In fact, one might not in Southeast Chevrolet, because they're smashing the price barrier out there

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on late model used cars for your vacation pleasure.

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You know, Southeast Chevrolet has the selection.

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In Southeast Chevrolet, of course, you know, it gives you the service.

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In Southeast Chevrolet, see that you get the satisfaction of true value for your money.

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Every used car in this great vacation sale has been checked and okayed

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by Southeast Chevrolet's own factory train mechanics,

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and typical of the dandy vise while they last is this 1958 Ford station wagon, $295.

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It's a four-door, Asia blue, a little rough, but good mechanically with good tires,

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automatic transmission that will haul a lot of junk, wheel covers, nice interior,

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and a little bodywork you'll find to put it in good shape for you.

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Regular Southeast Chevrolet warranty applies too, and you can take advantage of it anywhere,

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because it's a National Auto Dealers Association warranty.

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You better hurry. If it's gone when you get there, you'll find out there's clean, safe,

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and ready to go, and there are price far below what you'd expect too.

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So hurry to Southeast Chevrolet, 8815 Broadway, between Harvard and Miles in Cleveland.

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44 and I'll pass at 11 o'clock on PM.

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You know what I was talking to today about flying saucers,

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Wes and Bob, rather than Earl and Joe, talking about Kennedy.

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Oh, is that so?

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No, you mean the Bob Kennedy up in Massachusetts?

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Yes, the Bob Kennedy who was the program PM up in Boston.

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He mentioned a very interesting gentleman that he had on the program recently is a...

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Dr. Hawkins?

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A preacher in the Boston area, and I recall you mentioning a...

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Dr. Hawkins.

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No, it was never in ballot. That was an AMI getting...

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Well, he spoke to Dr. Hawkins. I heard that broadcast recently myself.

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That was a little in the parent aid.

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They just gonna send us the tape the next time...

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Oh, is that so?

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On PM, we will have that tape.

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I just wanted to mention that, speaking of tapes, because I have one here that I'd like for you to hear.

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One, I'm sure you'll recognize the voice.

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And two, whether you totally, all three of you, Joe and Earl and Wes, agree with this voice.

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I believe in flying saucers because there is massive documented evidence by pilots,

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missile trackers, radar men, and other highly trained observers that strange objects superior to anything we now have are operating in our skies.

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They have been seen, photographed, tracked by radar, and the secret conclusions of the United States Air Force are exactly the same as my own conclusions and those of our committee.

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That these objects, the flying saucers, or unidentified flying objects are real.

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They are machines under intelligent control from an unknown source.

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The United States Air Force went one step further and said that these are interplanetary spaceships, with which I personally agree.

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The United States Air Force has adopted a policy of officially debunking and explaining away these reports, even to the point of ridiculing their own veteran pilots.

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We have cases, we can prove that with documented cases.

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Because when they started out, they were puzzled and a little disturbed by these citing reports, and they decided the best thing was to go under wraps with this subject until they had the answers.

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And that was in effect for about two years.

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At that time, they were about to come out in the open and say that there was evidence that these things were interplanetary, and General Huyg-Bannonburg, the chief of staff, vetoed it, changed the policy to one of debunking them while behind the scenes they were actually investigating these things.

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And this has been the policy ever since, with a few variations.

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Occasionally, a group in the Air Force has tried to get it out in the open, and there have been reports that have been leaked or even officially released.

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For that purpose.

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But right now, the Air Force stand is open.

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They don't exist.

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Behind the scenes, they're real, and we have to find out what they're here for.

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Alright, that's the voice.

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First, I'm going to ask you a question.

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I recognize Adam Marr.

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Alright, hold on.

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Now, let's see everyone up.

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Do you recognize it?

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No, I don't.

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What?

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No, I don't.

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Really?

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Major Kehoe.

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Don Lee Kehoe, director of NICAP.

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I'll be with him next week.

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I talked with him for a long time this past week.

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I want to find out about your visit with him, but first, do you agree with everything that he says?

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I most certainly do.

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Alright.

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Every word that he says I take.

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What?

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You don't say anything.

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I don't.

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What about these, Joe?

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100%.

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Now, again, let me point out that Joe is an ex-Air Force man, and we're keeping, of course, his identity sacred.

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There's two policies.

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Are there really two policies, one public and one private?

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That is positively the case.

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Captain Ed Rupelt, who was in charge of the investigations for this country, I should say he was in charge of the project for the Air Force, and he has written some letters to the major.

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I happen to have some of those excerpts, and privately, he felt very badly to think that he had to do certain things that he was told to do.

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They were most contrary to what he personally knew were the case.

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Alright, well, I thought, Joe, what about yourself?

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No comment is there.

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Alright, well, he has some comments from Murlach on the up in the moment about that visit with Major Kehoe after this message.

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It's finger-licking good.

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Oh, when you're in the mood for some private food, say Kentucky Fried Chicken for me.

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During a recent Kentucky Fried Chicken test, Clyde Chirp told us our group was said Kentucky Fried Chicken for six months, and we had fewer catastrophes.

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Why was that, Clyde?

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Well, we would take a box or a bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken right at home, see?

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I see.

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That kept us off the streets.

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Get Kentucky Fried Chicken, really finger-licking good.

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Journal Sanders, special recipe, original.

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Oh, when you're in the mood for some private food, just say Kentucky Fried Chicken for me.

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And don't forget, neighbors, every Tuesday and Thursday, Kenny King's family restaurants feature a complete chicken dinner for only $1.

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That's every Tuesday and Thursday at Kenny King's.

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It's finger-licking good.

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Oh, when you're in the mood for some private food, say Kentucky Fried Chicken for me.

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Let me remind you, this is for Grand P&M. I'm Harvard Morgan, and this is KYW Radio Cleveland, Ohio, a group W station, Westinghouse Broadcasting.

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Just a moment ago, Earl, you said you had some information from a way, way back about the attitude of the public.

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What about that?

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Yes.

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What are you quoting from?

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I'm quoting from Life Magazine, July 21, 1947, and it was on June the 24th.

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You see, just roughly a month ahead of this in 47 when Kenneth Arnold first called them flying saucers.

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He was a boy, see, Idaho aviator.

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Now, in this issue, about a month later in life, they have quite an article.

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It's called Speaking of Pictures.

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And from there, I'd like this paragraph to be read.

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By July 10, discs have been reported in 43 states and the District of Columbia.

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Nowhere, however, did any of the saucers pause long enough in their flight to be photographed.

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Explanations of the discs soon came from many sources, and this is the part I think is interesting, because from that day until now, saucers have come to a very high level.

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In those days, it says here, at Harvard University, anthropologist Ernest A. Kooten said they were, and I'm quoting,

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misplaced halos searching for all the people who were killed over the 4th of July, unquote.

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Wow.

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In Chicago, Mr. L. M. Wendorf said the discs were merely hallucinations which would disappear if U.S. citizens followed a correct diet.

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He recommended the menu, including 50 dandelion blooms a day.

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Looking for money, huh?

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Oh boy.

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People will latch onto anything for a buck.

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Right.

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And in San Francisco, Ole J. Snide explained that the saucers were spaceships sent out by the great master who left the Earth in disgust after the fall of the Roman Empire,

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and now resides on the dark side of the moon.

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Now you see?

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Yeah, I do see.

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You mean?

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The unfortunate part is that the people will buy a lot of these seemingly ridiculous explanations.

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A lot of people will.

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I mean, unfortunately, most people will adopt a real look and see attitude.

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But you know, by the time that April 7th, 1952 came rolling along, life came out, and on its cover, along with this celestial person,

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Marilyn Monroe, there was on the upper right-hand cover the statement,

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there is a case for interplanetary saucers.

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This is on the front cover right here.

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Was that by anyone of note in flying saucer circles?

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Well, I would say that the parties who wrote this had, at their fingertips, a tremendous amount of information.

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It was one of the finest articles I've ever read.

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It's a repertorial job.

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It's not anything that was actually right.

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It's written by H.B. Derek, Jr. and Robert Geena.

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Now I do not know them in new circles.

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How has the attitude changed then?

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This, up to this time, has changed very greatly.

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Now this is in 1952 from 47 to 55 years.

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And the picture that you see across the top here, about eight inches deep, is a color painting by the wife of Lincoln LaPause.

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And they're both authorities on meteors.

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Both she and her husband have observed the fireballs at first hand.

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And this is a beautiful picture of the fireball.

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But the headline says, have we visitors from space?

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The Air Force is now ready.

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Now this is a funny part.

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The Air Force is now ready, this is in 1952, to concede that many saucer and fireball sightings still defy explanation.

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Here life offers some scientific evidence that there is a real case for interplanetary flying saucers.

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And yet today, the attitude is the same as it was then by the Air Force.

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In other words, they're still not admitting any more than they did then.

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But it looked then like it was kind of open.

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Because from time to time, just as the major mentioned, the attitude changed.

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And they were just about ready to crack it open and then somebody else changed.

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So then again, as very often I take the opportunity, when the subject arises like this, to issue the open, standing and abiding invitation to the Air Force.

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Spokesman, there are especially bright partisan Air Force base where we've tried unsuccessfully to contact them and get them on the program.

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I feel that this microphone is completely open to them for any light on the existence or the non-existence of flying saucers to certainly feel free to come on at any time.

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In fact, I wish they would take this up on that invitation.

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Yes, sir.

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Further in this article, there's a paragraph that I think is quite good.

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It says, the project set up to investigate the saucers, this is known as project sign, known to the press as project saucer, seem to have been fashioned more as a sedative to public controversy than as a serious inquiry into the facts.

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On December the 27th, 1949, after two years of operation, project saucer wrote up all products of reports of unidentified aerial phenomena as hoaxes, hallucinations, or misinterpretations of familiar objects.

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That is all but 34.

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These stubborn 34 seemingly unexplainable were briskly dismissed as psychological aberrations.

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Like the, well, we'll get into that because we covered the 1954 flag over Washington a couple of weeks ago.

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Earl, just then, held up a picture that I'd like to mention again.

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Several weeks ago, I guess, was about three months ago, I received a letter in the mail from, let's see, from Orville, Ohio.

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The letter was a picture, a picture in living color, as they say, a quite clear picture of a field, a grass along the roadside, apparently, and hovering above the field.

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There it was, and all its living color, glory to see, a flying saucer, or at least so it looked to be.

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At the time, since it was unsigned, and the person said, I'll quote this, I didn't last time, the enclosed picture may be of interest to you.

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It was given to me by a friend who insists on remaining anonymous.

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That is all I know or am allowed to say.

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Please comment on it on the show and give your opinion on it.

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Well, everyone we've had on the show has given their opinion, their opinion is, their opinion, not mine, that it is authentic, that it is a real picture of a flying saucer.

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And shortly after that, and I'd like to do it again right now, I ask the person, if they would please have courage enough to at least tell us who you are, you know who we are.

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We identify ourselves by name here on the show, with one exception, in the case of Joe, and you can understand that.

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I keep Joe's identity a secret, and I would certainly be willing to keep yours a secret.

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I would like to be contacted by you and explain the circumstances.

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Since this is close from all over Ohio, the circumstances of this photograph.

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Let me check with West, H. N. O. West, do you have knowledge?

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Is this about the best picture that you've seen this close to Cleveland, in this area?

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Yes, I'm saying it was hard, this close to Cleveland.

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Would it do us much good to know more about the circumstances of this picture and being taken?

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Well, it would do us good in adding to the information on the subject of a flying saucer or a UFO photograph. Yes, definitely.

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Alright, well again, let me issue the statement that, and Harold, you just wrote me a note that I don't understand.

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Would you explain it? Would you like the person to contact you or me or what?

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Well, we were just wondering if it wouldn't be a good idea if we could get this person to come to us secretly.

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In other words, I'll gladly have this gentleman contact me at my home on Pleasant Valley Rd.

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I most certainly will not ever make this his name known to anyone, but I would then learn from him, from my own files, what the story is.

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To me, it's a genuine picture as the little blow-up there, the right show.

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I'll be on the mention that Joe took this and had it blown up quite a bit, and now it stands out in even more clarity,

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although I do miss the fact that it was in color before, and color seemed to land some up intensity to it.

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This gives a little black and gray look, but it is still very discernible as a flying saucer and much, much larger, of course.

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We'll get back in just a moment. Again, let me remind you about Southeast Chevrolet dropping the bomb on used car prices.

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You know, Cleveland's favorite Chevrolet dealer really slashes prices on the fine used cars. Many of them won owner models.

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So don't wait. Now is the time to get your family that second car or a back-to-school car, maybe a car for vacation use.

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Now here's just one example of these terrific buys. A 1958 Plymouth Ford or 395 push-button transmission, bright red and white interior,

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good exterior, a little rough but not bad for a 1958, and it's good transportation, safe mechanically, lots of miles in the tires,

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and the radio and heater in good condition. Regular Southeast Chevrolet warranty applies,

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and that means you can take advantage of it anywhere because it's a national auto dealer's association warranty.

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And there are three big lot full of fine used cars I'll choose from. You've heard of Southeast Chevrolet.

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That's 8815 Broadway between Harvard and Miles. 22 before 12 o'clock. Let me check with you, Wes,

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because I know there's several things that you wanted to get to tonight, and the time is approaching when we usually,

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this last 20 minutes, just slips away from us, so let me check in with you.

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How true, Harv, how true. What's been happening?

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These are not particularly recent point of time. I didn't know the credit here, but they did turn 62.

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Three that have come to my attention, and they're not having time to tell them all at the same time,

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but they're very interesting cases. First one took place down in Sunnyvale, California, back in May 23rd.

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Mrs. Joseph Zalanka, the wife of a Lockheed engineer, cited a blue or deep turquoise UFO on that day.

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The object, she said, hovered at three top heights and appeared to be the size of a plate.

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There were two small children also sighted it. The object continued to hover for two or three minutes,

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and that road vertically disappeared. And after the sighting, Mrs. Zalanka hesitated to report the object.

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She said, fearing ridicule. She remarked that I'm a down-to-earth woman.

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She said, I don't want to be made out of crackpot.

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A local police officer who investigated, stated that he thought the object might have been a round kite,

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but he added, as I asked him, that he was not going to speculate.

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There was a nearby airfield that had no knowledge of the object, but we have had a number of instances.

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I've been to the

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brain sizes. I just read an article on collecting various accounts of these small UFOs.

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Let me tell you that. It's an April magazine.

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Fine article. I had occasion to read that. It's just fantastic. What book is that?

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April Bot, APRO, Phenomenon Research Organization's bot.

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That, of course, is a brief account, but a very recent one of these smaller objects.

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And there was a particularly interesting case. It took place in Massachusetts last November.

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This fine object was seen over a Salem Street in Wolburn, Mass on November 2nd by Mr. Charles F. Kirk,

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20-year-old of that place. Kirk reported that the mysterious fine object

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hovered over his head three to nine minutes on Salem Street on Tuesday, November the 1st.

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He said the object looked like a streamlined egg cut through the middle, and that he first noticed it about 2 p.m.

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Yesterday against the dark blue sky, Estimus proved that the object was hovering about a 2,000-foot altitude.

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Kirk works for the Welk Machine Company, that place, the Machines and Carbner.

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And he was up, the time, was working on top of their new building on Salem Street.

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He sighted this strange object, and he estimated it was about 40 feet long, 30 feet wide, and 15 foot in height.

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He said, it could have been much larger.

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Fortunately, Kirk was visibly shaken by his encounter.

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He described the eerie feeling of being watched, and he said, thoughts of fear entered his mind.

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He had no idea that the object was or where it came from, but he said he had a very good idea as to why it was there,

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which is more than a lot of people had, or was his idea.

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He said, well, I will explain that to him in just a moment.

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He said, he made the comment, I never wanted to see one again either.

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In fact, he didn't matter.

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The object was golden orange in color, and flatly they sat on the bottom, and had a black band near its outer edge,

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a projection or a periscope hanging about 10 feet from the bottom of it.

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This strange device, he said, kept clicking on and off at about 15 second intervals like a camera.

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Kirk felt that the strange object was taking pictures of the land beneath, including himself.

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That was the reason that he had a desire not to see one again.

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He said it was a little too close to be possible, which I...

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Right.

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00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:28,560
And other sightings of the same object were reported over Burlington and Wolburn by several witnesses on Sunday night, October 28.

431
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,560
How late was that after his sighting?

432
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:31,560
That was October 28.

433
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,560
October 28, and he saw it on November 1.

434
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,560
So this was just ahead of his sighting, but these other reports had come in.

435
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:44,560
He reported that the object produced a band of light around the building on which he was working.

436
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:49,560
And before it disappeared, he said, like, grease lightning.

437
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:58,560
So the sound of all except the strange cooking noise which it made during its hovering over his head.

438
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:07,560
They later checked the area of the Geiger powder and said there was a slight increase in radiation at the sighting area.

439
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:15,560
Now this is one thing, one point that constantly raises doubts in my mind and I think in the mind of many people.

440
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:22,560
In this case, someone had seen the object about, what, three or four days before.

441
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,560
Why is it that when people see these objects?

442
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:31,560
Now I don't care whether you're in a relatively isolated place like Maine or in California or where.

443
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:39,560
The thing had to get there and you would think that in most cases, certainly in more cases than this does happen,

444
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,560
that there would be corroborating reports along the way.

445
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:43,560
Why is this not true?

446
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:48,560
It's always one guy and I went to get my life and I couldn't get her back in time.

447
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,560
But yeah, you know that's true.

448
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:51,560
That's right, that's all North here.

449
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:59,560
Well in most of the cases yes, higher, but there are other cases that we would get the impact of to them such as the Monon railroad case

450
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:09,560
that happened a couple of years ago in which four members of the train crew all watched this object following the train for an hour and five minutes.

451
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,560
In that case, every acting member of the train crew was watching it.

452
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,560
So there have been several cases on that which more than one person saw.

453
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,560
The two majority cases, only one or two people see them.

454
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:26,560
How do you explain that in most of these cases that since it had to get there that somebody else didn't see it along the way?

455
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:27,560
Right, true.

456
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:28,560
Why?

457
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:37,560
It could go up rather than the speed with which they travel in many instances, just as this party described, it disappeared like grease lightning.

458
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,560
It seems that they can appear and disappear almost instantaneously.

459
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,560
Look, they're a high altitude of each completely invisible.

460
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:51,560
And of course that route instead of you picturing them is going on a straight B line route and therefore being seen by numerous witnesses,

461
00:36:51,560 --> 00:37:01,560
they could very easily go up, send, rapidly out of sight and descend several miles or hundreds of miles, even distant, in a matter of, we'll say, minutes.

462
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:06,560
And not have been seen by anybody else only when they come down again made themselves visible closer to the ground.

463
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:13,560
Well, there again, we're guilty perhaps of associating things that we can relate to.

464
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:24,560
I can relate to an object getting here by taking a normal course, but like this one can come down in such a way that I can't relate to or quite believe, come down suddenly like that.

465
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,560
Because of their powers, that's why we're there utilizing.

466
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:34,560
It makes it possible to maneuver so quickly and travel so rapidly that we just don't comprehend it.

467
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,560
We're not used to that type of speed.

468
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:37,560
Yeah, Joe.

469
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:48,560
There are a lot of people that do see objects at the same time and fail to report them or are reported to various airports or radar sites who had this information.

470
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:49,560
This is a fact.

471
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,560
They had this information and sometimes they do record it.

472
00:37:51,560 --> 00:38:00,560
And if these people would find out and try to drum out their local groups and report this thing, I know many, many times in our own organization,

473
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,560
there's four and five people at four or five different places in the county who all see the same thing.

474
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,560
Not for real, true.

475
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:18,560
Back in the days, in the early days of this UFO picture, August the 30th, 1951, the love of lights were seen.

476
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:25,560
Now this, these love of lights, flying information, these are pictures I'm here.

477
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:32,560
Flying information are considered by the Air Force the most unexplainable phenomena yet observed.

478
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:40,560
These photographs were made at Lubbock, Texas on August 30th, 1951 by Carl Hart Jr.

479
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:50,560
Scientists say lights were not natural objects, but they traveled too fast and too soundlessly for known machines.

480
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,560
Well now here are the four scientists who saw it.

481
00:38:54,560 --> 00:39:01,560
Dr. Ober, Ober, Professor Ducker, Dr. Robinson and Dr. E. L. George.

482
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:08,560
Now here are some top professors at Texas Tech who saw these love of lights.

483
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,560
So you see, it wasn't a case where just one.

484
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:12,560
And they couldn't explain it.

485
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,560
No, there's positive and no explanation ever to this day.

486
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:20,560
Well I have an explanation for the next 60 seconds, not explanation follows.

487
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:28,560
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488
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:36,560
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489
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:44,560
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490
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,560
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491
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:51,560
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492
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:59,560
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493
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,560
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494
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495
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,560
It's finger licking, good.

496
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,560
Yes, as everyone knows.

497
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,560
It's finger licking, good.

498
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:26,560
So when you're in the mood for some fabulous food, just say, can turkey, fried chicken for me.

499
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,560
Twelve minutes now before 12 o'clock midnight on program PM, this is Mark Morgan.

500
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:36,560
This is the U-Bology round table with Earl Neff, Wes Fitch, and the gentleman that we're just calling Joe.

501
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:41,560
So let me add quickly then a reference to the picture that the listener sent me some time ago.

502
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:50,560
If anyone has any pictures of any kind that you'd like to send us copies of, so we can have the panelists and other experts look at them and evaluate them.

503
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,560
Just send them in to me, and I'll have Morgan, K-Y-W, Cleveland, Ohio.

504
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,560
I want to get a couple of telephone questions.

505
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:02,560
If you'd like to ask any questions of the panel, the number's 241-5637.

506
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,560
And while you're deciding about whether you have a question, I do have one.

507
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,560
What about this English field the other day?

508
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:10,560
Yeah?

509
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:17,560
For the big circle appeared in the field, and the papers are rattling all of a sudden, everybody's pulling out reference material.

510
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,560
The report came over.

511
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:24,560
Our Westinghouse reporter in England reported it.

512
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:41,560
The farmer was quickly genuinely well convinced that he had visitors from some place that he hadn't had visitors from before, that sat down in his field and made an indentation and actually took some of his potatoes away, I believe.

513
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:50,560
Well, you recall that the explanation was after the one scientist from Australia said that, yes, this is definitely a flying saucer.

514
00:41:50,560 --> 00:42:01,560
And it was not only that, it was 500 feet wide, and it had a crew of 50, and it had tripod on the bottom, and then the Australian Scientific Society probably said, we don't know this cat.

515
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,560
There's no where he came from.

516
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,560
That's a really cool idea.

517
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,560
Frisley only had planned the idea it could have been a bomb, then a meteor.

518
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:16,560
Well, he then he stated in science, like you said before, and then they also say that this guy is a nut, a complete nut.

519
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:23,560
It wasn't the final explanation that they did find that a half-pound meteor, but how is a half-pound meteor going to make a crater this big, Wes?

520
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,560
I'd like to inject there.

521
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,560
A lot of it I got to read in one paragraph to him.

522
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,560
Frank Edwards, just this week commenting on this very thing, it's so tiring.

523
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:33,560
Let me explain.

524
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:39,560
Frank Edwards is a newscaster from Indianapolis who was also one of the world's leading authorities on the flying saucers.

525
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:40,560
Here's the paragraph.

526
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,560
I'll take the gut.

527
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:48,560
He says, see where the British debunked that crater by discovering that there's only a half-pound meteorite.

528
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:55,560
In other words, a meteorite the size of a golf ball tore a hole the size of a Mack truck and never made a sound.

529
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,560
The neatest trick of the year.

530
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:07,560
However, was the way, neatest trick of the week, however, was the way they pressed down the farmer's potato tops in a 50-foot circle

531
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,560
before it dug the hole in a giant field.

532
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,560
Ho-hum ho-kum.

533
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:18,560
Well, actually, in a way from a purely scientific standpoint, I wish Bob were over here.

534
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,560
Maybe somebody has an explanation.

535
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,560
Well, a meteorite does come down and hit the earth.

536
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,560
It does make a crater larger than itself, but that large?

537
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,560
But not as frank as...

538
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,560
Not as large as a Mack truck and not in three parts.

539
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:34,560
There's three craters, actually.

540
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:39,560
It looked like it was one of these so-called tripod ball-type landings

541
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:44,560
where people have claimed they have seen land on three parts on a bottle of sauce.

542
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,560
Some people have claimed this.

543
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:51,560
Well, could it not have been? Three craters coming down relatively at equal distance from each other?

544
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,560
That's kind of a stretching reality, isn't it?

545
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,560
Three meteors coming down like that would be, you say.

546
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,560
I think time goes on to learn lunch.

547
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,560
Let me get some telephone calls.

548
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,560
We have some people been hanging out quite some time.

549
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,560
May I have your crossbow, please?

550
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,560
Go ahead.

551
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,560
About what lights seen on the moon?

552
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,560
There was a case that you recall us talking about one night.

553
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,560
Lights were seen on the moon and you'd like to know how bright they were.

554
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,560
Do you recall anything about this?

555
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:24,560
Well, I mentioned one time that I had seen a light in the crater of Lanai,

556
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,560
but I think Joe here has something to contribute.

557
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:34,560
One of us, Dr. Wilkins of England, wrote a book on moon sightings.

558
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,560
In fact, they heard an astronomer on the moon.

559
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:44,560
He's actually the number one astronomer that is taking to himself to be credited with the moon sightings.

560
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,560
He claims a lot of these lights or blips do show up on the moon.

561
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:59,560
There are reflections of crystallized rocks that reflect sunlight in various angles.

562
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,560
These lights are sometimes seen in formation.

563
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:10,560
Within the last week, there was an article in Cleveland Evening Papers stating that there was smoke,

564
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:20,560
or haze seen coming up from a crater, and they analyzed it as being filled with carbon.

565
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,560
But no further explanation as to what that is.

566
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,560
No further, just a small article.

567
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,560
Okay, well, because this fellow was waiting so long, let's give him two questions.

568
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:32,560
He has a couple. Go ahead.

569
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:37,560
Tonight, your friend and yourself were looking through a telescope, looking at the moon,

570
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:41,560
and you saw a light on the moon.

571
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,560
It was brighter than the rest of the surrounding moon.

572
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:48,560
What might this explanation be?

573
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:53,560
You called up Case Tech at the observatory there.

574
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,560
And he said that that would be the eclipse of a star.

575
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,560
And you never heard of that.

576
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,560
I don't know. It does sound feasible, doesn't it?

577
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:13,560
Well, the stars up there would be possible that a star would be passing the moon and adding its glow to the glow of the moon.

578
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,560
Is this analogical to you?

579
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:20,560
Yes, it could be because the moon is not full right now, and it would appear like it would be on the dark side of the park.

580
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,560
It could be.

581
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,560
Okay, thank you for calling.

582
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,560
This is P.M. May I have your question, please?

583
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:42,560
About ten years ago, up in Michigan, you were out in the field with some other teenagers,

584
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:48,560
and it appeared that the parachute was coming down out of the sky,

585
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:55,560
but then it stopped and hovered there for about an hour.

586
00:46:55,560 --> 00:47:05,560
And so a farmer's in the area reported this to the police.

587
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:15,560
And from a nearby sack base, they set up about four fighters.

588
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:25,560
And every time it appeared that the planes at Sack had set up, it was going to dive in and see what was going on. What happened?

589
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:30,560
The object would then elevate itself out of their reach and then come back down again.

590
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,560
Yeah, come back down again, yeah.

591
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,560
All right.

592
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,560
And let's see if there's any comments on this. I see some head shaking around here, Joe.

593
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:46,560
Well, I've never seen this type. I've never heard of this type, but I've never been in the service and caught of this type.

594
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:51,560
But West has, we have information on this type, and I know Ralph Meyer took a picture of this.

595
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,560
Yeah, same type.

596
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,560
Well, we're Campbell, man.

597
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,560
Well, they're here.

598
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,560
West, any comment on this observation?

599
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,560
Well, I think that's the same case that Ralph, a few years back,

600
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:08,560
started a private plane and flew all the way up there to attempt to photograph.

601
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:13,560
This light had been reported a number of times. It was obviously very far away.

602
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:19,560
And he wasn't supposed to be going up there, but it was so infotosomally small he could not photograph it.

603
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:24,560
He couldn't get high enough or close enough to get a picture.

604
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,560
He was hoping to get one very back here, but it didn't pan out that way.

605
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,560
Okay, well, let's get on to the next question now.

606
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:37,560
Thank you. This is P. M., your question, please.

607
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:41,560
What this could be a question that we could do a whole program around.

608
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:50,560
The question is, what is the reason for flying saucer? Well, actually, it's a very good question.

609
00:48:50,560 --> 00:49:03,560
Yes, is it possible that these objects might be able or are going to solve our cold war problems for us?

610
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:08,560
All right, let me just, instead of submitting this question to the panel, let me just tell you this, sir,

611
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:17,560
that six, five weeks from tomorrow night, I will have here, in fact, I had intended to play an excerpt from this interview tonight,

612
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:22,560
and we ran out of time with a Miss Edna Spencer.

613
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:26,560
She belongs to a society that called the Aetherius Society.

614
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:32,560
Reverend George King of California is the head of the Earth Branch of the Aetherius Society.

615
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:40,560
They maintain it. There is on the planet Venus Venus a master Aetherius who speaks through,

616
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:51,560
are you ready for this? Who speaks through the larynx of Reverend George King because he knows how to immobilize his spine

617
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:57,560
so that his spinal fluid can transmit this message up through his larynx.

618
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,560
I've got laughter in my voice and you're laughing, but this gal is very serious.

619
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:06,560
She'll be on five weeks from tomorrow night and she has some comics to make about your very question.

620
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:13,560
Thank you for calling. We're about to have time for one more or two questions in just a moment.

621
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,560
Opportunity.

622
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:52,560
Man, the feeling is red hot. You're really stealing it. Red hot. What a feeling. I said, what a red hot deal.

623
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:59,560
A Mr. It's the Last Chance. I don't mean Mr. It's the Last Chance.

624
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:07,560
To top it, pick yourself a red hot, clear-much winner on one of these days. Like now.

625
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,560
See your greater Cleveland area, Plymouth Valium Dealers now.

626
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:22,560
Remember, they want to clear out all their 63 Plymouths in Valius by September 1st.

627
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:27,560
So stop in today. Just time for, I think, one more very quick question. May I have yours please?

628
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:38,560
There are two people in the Manchester area that have a motor that runs on magnetic drive.

629
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:44,560
The principle of vortex is opposing one another.

630
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:57,560
And they're interested in knowing whether the panel would be interested in contacting these people and then saying it in operation.

631
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,560
Alright, let me ask. Would you, Joe?

632
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:01,560
I would.

633
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:02,560
I would.

634
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:03,560
I would too.

635
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:04,560
I would too.

636
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:05,560
I would too.

637
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:06,560
Yes?

638
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:07,560
Yes.

639
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,560
Okay, yes, they answered yes all the way around. What do we do next?

640
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,560
They hung up.

641
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:17,560
They hung up? Well, apparently then, you gave your phone number earlier. They know one hour, isn't it?

642
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:24,560
They don't want us to give the name on the air. So, since the answer is yes, they can still perfectly free the couple on Manchester Drive to contact us.

643
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:25,560
And we'd be interested in seeing that.

644
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Oh, I thought Manchester England was going to get a trip.

645
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We're going to get a trip right now.

646
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That's our time for this evening. And the trip is to the never-never land of signing off the show.

647
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And my thanks again to West Fitch, to Earl's Neff, and to Joe, the Airman, former Airman in the Air Force, that joined the Air Force, expressed me for the purpose of finding out as much as you could about flying saucers.

648
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Joe, do this next time, I hope.

649
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:51,560
Thank you, sir.

650
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What's it going to be time on P.M. to go into outer space?

651
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.